tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23413184.post115318619678465511..comments2023-04-01T09:39:03.316-05:00Comments on A Churchmouse's Musings: 2 Timothy 1:16-19 - Onesiphorus in Purgatory???Churchmousehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13521990026485330450noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23413184.post-37111385762601104472007-06-01T09:15:00.000-05:002007-06-01T09:15:00.000-05:00Hi Lito,I remember as a boy, growing up in Catholi...Hi Lito,<BR/><BR/>I remember as a boy, growing up in Catholic schools, running into a quite a few priests who rejected the concept of purgatory. One in particular told us during relgion class that he cannot justifiably teach purgatory when the earliest church didn't teach it and Scripture reveals the same. I thought that was very bold but commendable. Some of the older guard were staunch on this belief and instilled the "Judge Jesus" mentality in their teachings. <BR/><BR/>Btw, are you the same "Lito" who participates on the Bereans forum?<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>RayChurchmousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13521990026485330450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23413184.post-52882805129512064842007-06-01T00:22:00.000-05:002007-06-01T00:22:00.000-05:00Ray,My experience too as an RC boy was filed with ...Ray,<BR/>My experience too as an RC boy was filed with the distance/ separation of Jesus with sinners.<BR/><BR/>Yes "Jesus the Judge" is present also in Protestant circles. He died for sinners and yet hates them(??) When the saving work of Christ is minimized to the amplification of his Lordship, I think this happens.<BR/><BR/>Jesus is Lord precisely because he is Saviour.<BR/><BR/>In the RC piety, Jesus' love for sinner is obscured because they are taught by practice to go to penance.<BR/><BR/>LitoLPChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11352627830833515548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23413184.post-1153360733341395212006-07-19T20:58:00.000-05:002006-07-19T20:58:00.000-05:00Hi Jim,Yep, I agree. I don't believe that any Cath...Hi Jim,<BR/><BR/>Yep, I agree. I don't believe that any Catholic commentary would agree with such a statement, and definitely not the Protestant. <BR/><BR/>I'm reading Bainton's "Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther" and realized how I had forgotten how the pre-Reformation "Jesus the Judge" view is still alive and well, not amongst all Catholics, but in various cultures, such as the Latino culture. My memories as a former Catholic are filled with this. I believe this is why these cultures indulge Mary all the more. After all, only she can soothe the wrath of her Son.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/>RayChurchmousehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13521990026485330450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23413184.post-1153305598037366862006-07-19T05:39:00.000-05:002006-07-19T05:39:00.000-05:00Here's the line I would pounce on:"In either case,...Here's the line I would pounce on:<BR/><BR/>"In either case, purgatory alone can explain such thoughts of Paul."<BR/><BR/>I have a feeling if I go and start checking both Catholic and Protestant commentaries, this statement will crumble.<BR/><BR/>You know what's interesting as well- the RC argument assumes the "Christ as Judge" motif- better start praying to Mary and the saints to ask Christ to have mercy. To me this is one of the worst aspects of a belief in purgatoryJames Swanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16136781934797867593noreply@blogger.com